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I've been getting really sick of seeing people credit artists incorrectly or not at all. Sometimes it's legitimate ignorance, sometimes laziness, and sometimes just plain ol greed.

NO. This is not ok.

I'm posting this so I can point people to it in forums and on any site where pony art is found that it shouldn't be. I consider it a first warning before reporting them and asking for their account to be banned.

I'm sick of people stealing art and acting like it's ok.

And because I forgot to say so the last few posts, this art was inspired by the very awesome Lauren Faust and Hasbro MLP FiM team!

IMPORTANT! Here's Rainekitty's comment on this post. What she says here is exactly what I'm talking about: [link]

EDIT: I also forgot to mention that I was really terrified of drawing this by hand instead of using vectors. I know some time I have to move away from the crutch (it's a crutch for me) of vectors and do some real drawings... I hope it turned out alright because I'm proud of it :D

Also, for those that are interested, I do have a lot of the art in this somewhere in my favorites... in case you don't want to hand-type the links anyway :D
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Cavenerd20 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014
I favorited this because I liked it, yes, but there's another reason. One of the things I find most tedious about writing scholarly papers is the citations. I need a reminder of why we need to do it, and this seems like as good a reminder as any.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also see my detailed and updated webapage here: sourcing
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Cavenerd20 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2015
Added it to my list of sites useful for writing. Thank you.
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kdawg1631 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
There were a lot of words, and I have way too little sleep to read every word, but I think you simply want us to link the original site it was on so the artist gets credit, yes? I don't go on Imagur for this reason.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but yes, giving proper credit is already important. Because someone asked, I posted this image to imgur myself, but I made sure the title and comments listed me as source (which is something most imgur posters neglect).
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zelka94 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thank you so much for this, it i extremely helpful^^I just found out that at least 5-6 sites(spanish and french wtf?) are using my art-.-I wish there was a report button there,it's kind of annoying sinc I have no idea how to deal with all this crap-___-
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Be sure to put watermarks on your art to help. Otherwise, I would concentrate more on the English sites myself, though the rampant spread without consent or attribution is pretty annoying.
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zelka94 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ughh i hate watermarks>_< but its a necessity.god I was so annoyed when i found out>_>
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SeraphineFrost Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013  Hobbyist
I totally agree with you!
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MrHugoDrax Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I can't tell you the number of time's I've seen this (find the source embed in the url or something) and the post says source unknown - really? it's right there. I have the fun indexing/photographic memory the number of times I'm like where have i seen this before. But saidly I think only the people that want to do the right thing will follow this.
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bloostormbrony Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yayy, thnx for being brave enough to stand up and ssay the right thing :) Brohoof /)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Always :)
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DracaWing13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you for this! It helped me find an AWESOME pic of Nightmare Sol (or Corona Blaze or whatever we're calling bad Celestia) off of poniburu and find the artist on DA and faved it! :D
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad I could help! I made a non-pony one if you want to share this with others without it being all pony :)

[link]
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DracaWing13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ironically, I just finished reading that one! I'll be sure to refer any friends to this if they need help!
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AlicornBob Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Student General Artist
Yes
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IWuvMinty Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I was just surfing the net and found this, I am so happy somepony was brave enough to post something like this! :)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! I use it to point people to sometimes, though recently I've been using my updated, more generic one: [link]
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IWuvMinty Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
They are both really neat, good luck spreading the word. ^-^
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johnmburt1960 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012
I hope that one day you will be healed from the hurt which causes you to think it is "brave" to judge and attack their neighbors this way.
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arussianbashy Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
You do realise that the artwork posted to FunnyJunk.com that you described was on a comment, and you're now saying that we can't post comments with custom art?
We're not taking credit for it, we're not stealing it, we're doing nothing besides posting an appropriate image?
You're saying I can't save an image, if it was cute or sexy or cool, and use it to post comments with no intellectual gain whatsoever?
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't really follow. What I'm suggesting is that artwork posted to sites without artist knowledge or consent isn't very polite. Especially if there's little to no effort made to properly source that work.
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Isusstvo Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012
Something to consider, imgur was basically created because when popular links were posted to Reddit istraight from the website in the cases where the website wasn't very large or sturdy, the sheer traffic would just crash the website. 10s of thousands of visits is fine for deviantart or tumblr, but not so much for someone's personal fan or art site.

Furthermore, nearly every image hosting service I can think of bar tumblr's (which deactivates links after a certain amount of time) is slower to load than imgur by a seconds or two. It's not an inconvenience, but it's the kind of thing that puts people off visiting a type of link on a subconscious level. I would argue that the right way to do it is either to edit in the source below the rehosted image, or to (as in one of the cases above) provide a link in the comments so that people who are interested can seek out more.

Just a redditor's perspective on the issue :)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No worries friend, you're right. Posting to the source is often slower, more inconvenient, and likely to tank an otherwise front-page post. I understand all of that, but suggest that the mentality is similar to shoplifting. It's harder and more expensive to pay for things than to just take them, but honest people shouldn't. Granted, I once also copied whatever I wanted with no regard for anyone, but as an artist myself and knowing several, I've changed my opinion and encourage others to as well. In many cases it's very easy to post to source and the honorable among us will do so... even if it costs us imaginary internet points ;)
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pontus518 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012
This is pretty stupid reasoning. A more fitting explanation would be: For some small business owners, customers paying in cash is significantly more profitable than credit. However, sometimes it's easier and makes more sense to pay with credit, so you'll have to decide what to do. I imagine a front page post with a link in the comments will net far more hits for the artist than a buried post to the true source.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If they link in the comments, if the comment doesn't get buried, if people choose to click it and IF the people who find it don't get it directly from IMGUR instead of Reddit in the first place.

That's a lot of if's to be calling my point of view "stupid" when I believe I, in fact, have a fairly valid point.
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EmyliaHawke Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's rather incredible; for the longest time, when I saved fantastic art I found while roaming the World-Wide-Web, I didn't have a second thought about accreditation, the artist/s, et cetera. Then I joined DA, realized there were deplorable villains all over the Internet claiming a given piece of art as their own and/or completely disregarding the actual artist's copyrights, and the switch flipped from OFF to ON. Now all art that I save to my computer is properly accredited, be it already in the image or typed in with the file name, and I always keep a link back to the artist's page, using that to show my friends and family these talented artisans' creations instead. A thief I am not: I don't post others' artwork (the ONLY exception being that found via Google Images and no artist listed, at such times disclaiming the art to be my own and keeping an eye out for the original to rectify the lack), and especially not without due ownership plainly given and links to the originals and their artists provided.

This horrible pandemic of art thievery was even more ground into existence for me when I once accidentally posted a piece of art on Facebook without giving credit to the artist and links back to his original and his page. My fingers had gotten ahead of me before I typed proper accreditation into the Description section, but by the time I realized this, at least seven or eight people had left comments under the picture asking if I had made it or skipping the queries in favor of praising what they assumed to be my artistic talent. Horrified, I put to rights what I'd done wrong and made sure everyone knew exactly whose art that image was, where I found it, and links back to the artist's page. However, I felt so guilty about the mess that I removed the image from my FB account a few days later and never neglected rightful accreditation again.

Before reading this, I had absolutely no clue how to find the original of "unclaimed" (or wrongfully claimed) art on the Internet. Now that I do, I'll neither forget nor neglect it. Lethargy is but another excuse among many for not plainly providing an artist the respect he/she more than deserves. I am definitely no artist in the true sense of the title, but I understand how complex a painting or vectored art is. I respect the true artists' incredible skills and talents, and am always humbled when witnessing the truly extraordinary creations that are so numerous on DA.

As you have already said, art thievery just isn't right.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have to admit I wasn't much better, but this phrase of yours "and the switch flipped from OFF to ON" fits perfectly. Now I only hope to encourage as many people as possible to do the same. Especially since it's so easy.
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EmyliaHawke Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Precisely. Only a few hours ago, I told my mom about this, and she had never heard of the Google Images image search either. Now she wants to read this for herself and start renaming the images in her files to their original titles, give the name of the artist, and save a link to the artist's page. :D
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome. I know people would do this more if they knew how easy it was. It's not like people are trying to do bad things.
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I know that lots of people complain about how watermarks ruin the picture but sometimes it helps to find the author and decrease theft rates.
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Dizzeh89 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What are watermarks??
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
Watermark: [link]
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Dizzeh89 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
welcome!
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sadly, it's become necessary since people generally think they can take pictures and share them anywhere and sites like Memebase, Reddit, and 9gag encourage this (for their profit).
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Well, it's internet. I think it's the same psychological thing that make people troll others for no reason. I forgot how it's called.
Also what are these sites?
PS
Odd as it sounds, but sometimes it's good to be unpopular artist - you have lesser chances that somebody will come and steal your pictures.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In some ways yes... though if you are popular and someone steals it, you know right away. I have an eye for my favorites like Mickeymonster, Mn27, Egophiliac, John Josco, etc.
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Well, that's also good.)
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Nevel7 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012
Nevel agrees. The original artists deserve the recognition for all there hard work. I myself had a project of mine stolen and I asked the guy to AT LEAST put a link back to me. but gah, what can we honestly do? I know what i'll do for others. Support them any way i can. :)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What we can do is: do the right thing ourselves and constantly encourage others to do the same :)
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crazedfox13 Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Finally got to try this method out.
Glad to say it worked!
Thanks!
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ProjectRay12 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
/) *BROHOOF* (\

This needs to be seen more, good job Nimaru

(Lurks around to see if Nimaru has awesome fan-art... Sucess!)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol! I'm in the middle of an argument on another site with someone who hates this announcement and thinks that "if it's online, you can't expect people to not take it".

Sheesh.
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Poketrainer2004 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I disagree with all of this.

Due diligence is done if one searches for the source. A Google search for the filename and perhaps the title of the work is all one needs. Additional searches may be done, like for example directly on DA, but are not required.

Posting a crop or a lower quality version is actually an insult to the artist, as the end user doesn't get to see the original in it's full glory. That may mean the user chooses to ignore your other works because of poor image quality, thereby making any credit given to you or any source link rendered ineffective.

Abusing facilities meant for reporting spammers or abusive users because someone failed to credit you is not only petty, but it's stupid. Especially if the usage of the art was noncommercial and, therefore nonprofit. If it was profited upon, then hire a lawyer or use formal copyright complaint procedures.

If you're seriously worried about thieves, embed your source URL in the image somewhere unintrusive. I've seen many good artists do this along with their signatures and it always makes finding a source much easier, and actually does give you a reason to be upset if someone openly claims it's their work. No, none of this "But they implied when they didn't mention me" bullshit. That won't fly.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
P1 - You say you disagree, but then say people SHOULD google search. We agree on that.

P2 - On your second point I do disagree. If they post my work on EQd, i want it to be smaller or a thumbnail that links back to me; not the full deal. I think others would think similarly.

P3 - Abusing... what now? What are you talking about?

P4 - Yes, watermarks are good. No one disputes that. But it's not an excuse to take it and do what you want with it either. I don't know what you mean with the "implied...mention" thing.
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bigmacd24 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
For a site like reddit, what's wrong with me uploading an image to imgur to ease conversation? Imgur allows RES to show the picture in screen, where as DA doesn't. Sure, it's the polite thing to do to post the source in the comments, i'm all for attribution where it's due. But even when it's not done, you've shown it takes 30 seconds for anyone with a bit of interest to backtrack the image to it's source.

If I wanted to print off a picture I saw online to show to my office mates, i'm not (morally) obliged to print the ad's and all the artist's comments on it. Posting to imgur is similar in my opinion. It's a light-weight image only hosting service, that allows me to share what I want with my friends, how I want.

(yes, you can make a legal argument that I don't have the right to repost an artists work elsewhere or print a funny picture to hang on my cubicle wall, but i'm sure a fan artist will agree that there is a disconnect between what is morality and strict legal interpretation of copyright)
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
RES compatibility is better for Redditors and votes, but those are both selfish reasons. If you know the source and move it to imgur anyway, it's rude the artist AND it takes longer.

If you meant that you find it online and then move it to imgur, there's functionally no difference, but it's both politer and more honorable to take a few seconds to source it properly. Printing it off in your office is not the same as posting to imgur since imgur pics can be seen by thousands of people and those thousands of people don't know where it came from.

I won't make the legal argument because I know that doesn't hold weight with a lot of people and, let's face it, legal doesn't always mean "right".
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bigmacd24 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
RES compatibility is a selfish reason, mostly. I mean, it's helpful to the community at large, but artist's don't like it. Is it rude? Maybe. Probably un-pony like at the least, which is good enough reason to avoid the practice.

I don't tend to post a lot of art on reddit regardless, but I don't think the issue is cut and dry. While an artist might prefer her work not to be shared, or might want to dictate the terms through which it can be shared, I think she has a very limited moral right to tell people how and where they can share her work.

But I will cede the point, it's polite to consider the wishes of the artist in regards to posting their work.
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Nimaru Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For me, it's more important that the artist have the chance to have their description, notes, or disclaimers about the art read WITH the art. Sometimes it needs explanation or has a different meaning out of context. Also, the artists on DA sometimes offer commissioned work, prints, t-shirts etc. Or someone might want to see their other work. For all those reasons, it's always better to post to source.
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